Ex-model who accused Trump of groping her in 1990s says Epstein mentioned Trump 'every time we spoke'

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(NEW YORK) – The former Sports Illustrated swimsuit model has accused former President Donald Trump of kissing her in front of Jeffrey Epstein in the early 1990s offers more details about what she claims to have observed about Epstein’s relationship with the current presidential candidate and what she says Epstein told her.

“I would say he was talking about the fact that he had just seen Donald or he had just done something, I mean, every time we talked,” Stacey Williams, who worked as a professional model in the 1990s, said in an interview with ABC News.

Williams went public this week with allegations that Trump groped her in front of Epstein after she said Epstein, who would later be known as a serial sex offender, brought her to Trump Tower in the early 1990s.

‘I felt so humiliated’

In her interview with ABC News, Williams said that during her several-month relationship with Epstein, whom she said she met in 1992, Trump was one of the three people Epstein talked to her about most, while one of the other two Ghislaine Maxwell was. , Epstein’s longtime associate who has since been sentenced to 20 years in prison for recruiting and grooming underage girls that Epstein sexually abused.

The third person, Williams said, was Leslie Wexner, the billionaire retail magnate who once hired Epstein to manage his fortune.

“The people he talked about most were his boss, or whatever that person was, Les Wexner, hard to understand that role. And then Ghislaine, again, a bit of an ambiguous, strange relationship. And then Donald Trump,” Williams told ABC News. “Those are the people he talked about the most.”

The details come after Williams publicly discussed the alleged incident in detail for the first time during a public “Survivors for Kamala” Zoom call last Monday evening in support of Vice President Kamala Harris. The group is not officially affiliated with Harris’ presidential campaign.

In a statement to ABC News, Trump campaign spokesperson Karoline Leavitt denied Williams’ allegations, stating in part: “These allegations, made by a former activist for Barack Obama and announced during a Harris campaign call two weeks before the election, are unequivocally false. ”

Asked about the claim that Epstein often spoke about Trump, a Trump campaign spokesperson said: “It is widely known that President Trump banned Jeffrey Epstein from his Mar-a-Lago Club when revelations about his sex trafficking became public.”

During the Zoom call, video of which ABC News obtained, Williams, who first began speaking publicly about the alleged incident with Trump and Epstein in 2020 Facebook posts, said she felt like the alleged groping incident was a ” twisted game’. between Trump and Epstein.

“I felt so humiliated, so sick and so upset, and when I realized what was happening a few minutes later, I felt like this was some kind of sick bet or game between the two of them,” Williams said. “I was rolled in there like a piece of meat for some challenge or some damn game, and I felt terrible.”

“I felt it was time to share this and I am ready to win this election,” Williams, a longtime Democrat in politics, said on the Zoom call. “The thought of that monster being back in the White House is my absolute worst nightmare.”

‘It was orchestrated’

Williams told ABC News that the alleged encounter, when she was 24, lasted no more than 10 minutes. “I was in shock and I was frozen,” Williams said.

“He just extended his arms and pulled me towards him the entire time, keeping his hands on one part of my body the entire time,” Williams claimed in the interview. “His hands touched the sides of my breasts, not the front, but the sides of my breasts, my waist, and then slid down to my buttocks and just kept running up and down my body as they carried on a conversation together.”

Speaking to ABC News, Williams explained that shortly after the alleged incident, she began to suspect that the meeting with Trump and Epstein was “orchestrated,” but denied this due to the shame she felt as a result.

“Now I have no doubt that it was orchestrated,” Williams said.

Not long after the alleged incident, Williams said Trump sent her a handwritten postcard featuring his Mar-a-Lago estate with the caption: “Stacey – Your home away from home. I love Donald.” A photo of the postcard was shared with ABC News.

Two friends confirmed to ABC News in interviews that Williams told them years ago about the alleged incident with the former president. Longtime friend Allison Gutwillinger told ABC News in an interview that Williams invited her to her home in 2015 to tell her about the alleged incident after Trump announced his candidacy.

“I came to her house. There was a postcard on the counter, with what looked like Mar-a-Lago on the cover. I turned it over and there was a handwritten note that said, ‘Love Donald,'” Gutwillinger said. “She then told me he groped her in Trump Tower.”

‘Not a fan of him’

Trump ultimately distanced himself from Epstein, who died by suicide in prison in 2019 while awaiting trial at the federal level. sex trafficking charges. Authorities say Epstein sexually exploited and abused dozens of underage girls at his homes in New York and Florida, among other places, in the early 2000s.

In 2002, Trump told New York magazine: “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Great guy.”

“He is a lot of fun to be around. In fact, it is said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side,” Trump said at the time.

Epstein was questioned about his relationship with Trump during a March 2010 deposition in a civil suit against Epstein brought by some of Epstein’s victims.

Epstein replied, “Yes sir,” when asked if he had socialized with Trump. When asked if he had “ever interacted with Donald Trump in the presence of women under the age of 18,” Epstein responded: “While I would love to answer that question, I’m going to have to assert at least my fifth, sixth, today. and 14th Amendment right, sir.”

By the time Epstein was indicted in 2019, then-President Trump told reporters at the White House that he was “not a fan of his, I can tell you that” and that he “hadn’t spoken to him in 15 years.”

A year later, Trump wished Ghislaine Maxwell “well” after a reporter asked him if the longtime Epstein associate would reveal the names of powerful people linked to the serial sex offender.

“I don’t know,” Trump said. “I actually didn’t follow it that much. Honestly, I just wish her the best.”

In 2021, Maxwell was convicted five out of six counts related to the abuse and trafficking of underage girls.

During Maxwell’s trial, flight logs released into evidence showed that Trump was listed as a passenger on Epstein’s private jets at least seven times: four times in 1993, once in 1994 and 1995, and at a previously known time in 1997.

At least 18 women have accused Trump of varying degrees of inappropriate behavior, including allegations of sexual harassment or assault. During Trump’s first run for the White House, a video surfaced in 2005 of him discussing groping women, in which Trump can be heard telling former “Access Hollywood” host Billy Bush, “If you’re a star, they let you do it.”

“I’m automatically attracted to beautiful women, I just start kissing them, it’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And if you’re a star, they let you do that. You can do anything,” Trump saidincluding “grab them by the p—-.”

Trump apologized at the time after the comments were made public, saying in a video, “Anyone who knows me knows these words do not reflect who I am,” adding, “I said it, I was wrong, and I I apologize.”

Trump has long strongly denied all of the women’s allegations. In some cases, he and his team members have specifically denied individual allegations, but they have also repeatedly issued blanket denials of all allegations, calling the women liars.